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Is it possible to use lime sulfur to give a fairly young ficus the
bleached look of older trees? If so, how would I apply it?

Thanks,
Steve
Philadelphia, Pa

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Steve Peterson wrote:
>
> Is it possible to use lime sulfur to give a fairly young ficus the
> bleached look of older trees? If so, how would I apply it?
>

Bleached deadwood is mostly a feature of conifers -- pines,
junipers, spruce, bald cypress and the like.

It is seldom used on deciduous trees, and almost never on
evergreens -- especially tropical evergreens such as Ficus.

It is never applied to bark or live wood.

So the answers are "no" and "you wouldn't."

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Steve,

I assume you are after the look of an older ficus whose bark is somewhat
bleached from age. If you spray the tree with lime sulfur that is mixed at
the recommended rate per the label instructions it will tend to give the
bark the bleached look of an older ficus. I would test first to be sure
your tree doesn't react negatively to a lime sulfur spray. It may take more
that one application before the bleached look develops.

Regards,
Roger Snipes
Spokane, WA. Zone 5-ish

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Peterson" <stevenkpeterson [at] MAC.COM>
> Is it possible to use lime sulfur to give a fairly young ficus the
> bleached look of older trees? If so, how would I apply it?
>

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Actually lime sulphur is normally used diluted as a dormant spray on many
fruit trees and can be used on deciduous material in winter to slightly
whiten the bark. Make sure to check the label for dilution rate.

As for use on a ficus I really couldn't say what would be best, maybe you
could defoliate first, but that advice would have to come from someone who
knows about figs.

Cheers
Ian

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Subject: Re: [IBC] Lime Sulfer

Steve Peterson wrote:
>
> Is it possible to use lime sulfur to give a fairly young ficus the
> bleached look of older trees? If so, how would I apply it?
>

Bleached deadwood is mostly a feature of conifers -- pines,
junipers, spruce, bald cypress and the like.

It is seldom used on deciduous trees, and almost never on
evergreens -- especially tropical evergreens such as Ficus.

It is never applied to bark or live wood.

So the answers are "no" and "you wouldn't."

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Hmm. Learn something new every day. Thankfully.

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Ian Burke wrote:
> Actually lime sulphur is normally used diluted as a dormant spray on many
> fruit trees and can be used on deciduous material in winter to slightly
> whiten the bark. Make sure to check the label for dilution rate.
>
> As for use on a ficus I really couldn't say what would be best, maybe you
> could defoliate first, but that advice would have to come from someone who
> knows about figs.
>
> Cheers
> Ian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Internet Bonsai Club [mailto:BONSAI [at] HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM] On Behalf Of
> Jim Lewis
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 4:12 PM
> To: BONSAI [at] HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
> Subject: Re: [IBC] Lime Sulfer
>
> Steve Peterson wrote:
>
>>Is it possible to use lime sulfur to give a fairly young ficus the
>>bleached look of older trees? If so, how would I apply it?
>>
>
>
> Bleached deadwood is mostly a feature of conifers -- pines,
> junipers, spruce, bald cypress and the like.
>
> It is seldom used on deciduous trees, and almost never on
> evergreens -- especially tropical evergreens such as Ficus.
>
> It is never applied to bark or live wood.
>
> So the answers are "no" and "you wouldn't."
>

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Thanks, Roger.

I have to think about how I could test it. Should I try to spray a single branch?

Other than death, what sort of negative reaction should I look for?

Regards,
Steve


On Sunday, October 16, 2005, at 05:40PM, Roger Snipes <rlsnipes [at] ICEHOUSE.NET> wrote:

>Steve,
>
>I assume you are after the look of an older ficus whose bark is somewhat
>bleached from age. If you spray the tree with lime sulfur that is mixed at
>the recommended rate per the label instructions it will tend to give the
>bark the bleached look of an older ficus. I would test first to be sure
>your tree doesn't react negatively to a lime sulfur spray. It may take more
>that one application before the bleached look develops.
>
>Regards,
>Roger Snipes
>Spokane, WA. Zone 5-ish
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Peterson" <stevenkpeterson [at] MAC.COM>
>> Is it possible to use lime sulfur to give a fairly young ficus the
>> bleached look of older trees? If so, how would I apply it?
>>
>
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Spraying some of the solution onto an expendable branch would be a good way
to test. Another option would be to spray another ficus that would be
expendable in the event of a negative reaction.

Death of the plant would be the worst reaction, but one could possibly see
damage to the foliage, or the plant could drop leaves, but recover. I don't
know if there are any toxicity issues with ficus and lime sulfur dormant
spray or not; it may be totally OK. I would check the label to be sure that
ficus isn't mentioned as something not to spray. Maybe someone on the list
has had experience with spraying their ficus. Maybe Dr. Nina knows for sure
if there any issues with lime sulfur and ficus?

Regards,
Roger Snipes
Spokane, WA. Zone 5-ish

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Peterson" <stevenkpeterson [at] MAC.COM>
> I have to think about how I could test it. Should I try to spray a single
> branch?
>
> Other than death, what sort of negative reaction should I look for?
>
> Regards,
> Steve

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Roger Snipes wrote:
>
> Maybe
> Dr. Nina knows for sure if there any issues with lime sulfur and ficus?
>
>

I seem to recall that Dr. Nina doesn't DO Ficus. :-)

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> I seem to recall that Dr. Nina doesn't DO Ficus. :-)
>
> Jim Lewis -

Not true!!!! Surely you remember my mistletoe fig with the trunk that
won't thicken (F. deltoidea, grown from a cutting, now about 15 years
old, spindly but doing well), and my sacred Bo tree (F. religiosa). I
have a limited number of ratty tropicals which have to come inside for
winter. This year I bought a lotus, which is sitting in a tub on the
deck. Anybody wanting to tell me (offlist) what on earth to do with it
this winter will have my deepest gratitude.

I've never sprayed the figs with lime sulfur, so I have no idea how
they'd react. At the dosages used for plant protection, probably
nothing, although leaf-drop is possible. But I can't figure out how
spraying the tree would do anything except *encrust* the bark with
white crystals, which isn't much in the way of lightening it.

Nina.

Friends:

You can expect to see phototoxic results if you apply lime sulfur to a tree that has recently received an oil-based spray.

Also, do not spray Apricots with lime sulfur.

Cordially,

Michael Persiano
members.aol.com/iasnob

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To: BONSAI [at] HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Sent: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 07:45:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [IBC] Lime Sulfer


Spraying some of the solution onto an expendable branch would be a good way to test. Another option would be to spray another ficus that would be expendable in the event of a negative reaction.

Death of the plant would be the worst reaction, but one could possibly see damage to the foliage, or the plant could drop leaves, but recover. I don't know if there are any toxicity issues with ficus and lime sulfur dormant spray or not; it may be totally OK. I would check the label to be sure that ficus isn't mentioned as something not to spray. Maybe someone on the list has had experience with spraying their ficus. Maybe Dr. Nina knows for sure if there any issues with lime sulfur and ficus?

Regards,
Roger Snipes
Spokane, WA. Zone 5-ish

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Peterson" <stevenkpeterson [at] MAC.COM>
> I have to think about how I could test it. Should I try to spray a single > branch?
>
> Other than death, what sort of negative reaction should I look for?
>
> Regards,
> Steve

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This year I bought a lotus, which is
> sitting in a tub on the
> deck. Anybody wanting to tell me (offlist) what on
> earth to do with it
> this winter will have my deepest gratitude.
>

Hmmm upstate NY aren't you...

Do you own a hot-tub?

Jim Stone
Santa Fe, TX

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Frankly, my preference is not to use lime sulfur as a fungicide. );-)

with respect to Prunus mume, I have not seen any adverse effects resulting from Ortho Funginex. However, leaves that become a "problem" on most deciduous trees can simply be removed and replaced by new growth.

Cordially,

Michael Persiano
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From: Jim Lewis <jklewis [at] NETTALLY.COM>
To: BONSAI [at] HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Sent: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:55:30 -0400
Subject: Re: [IBC] Lime Sulfer


Michael Persiano wrote:

> Also, do not spray Apricots with lime sulfur. >
You probably should extrapolate that to other members of the genus Prunus -- peaches, plums, almonds, nectarines, etc. While they may not be AS susceptible as apricots, they are a very closely related and easily crossed group. So at least be careful.

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Michael Persiano wrote:

> Also, do not spray Apricots with lime sulfur.
>

You probably should extrapolate that to other members of the
genus Prunus -- peaches, plums, almonds, nectarines, etc.
While they may not be AS susceptible as apricots, they are a
very closely related and easily crossed group. So at least
be careful.

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> This year I bought a lotus, which is
>>sitting in a tub on thedeck. Anybody wanting to tell me (offlist) what on
>>earth to do with it this winter will have my deepest gratitude.
>>
>

If you have the native American species (Nelumbo lutea) it
is hardy from zone 6 through 11, so it should be no problem.

The commonest Asian variety (N.nucifera) does zones 8-12.
It might do OK in an unheated garage for the winter.

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Many nurseries in Japan spray their trees with lime sulfur prior to the winter. I personally do not like the white spray on my trees.

Cordially,

Michael Persiano
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From: Ian Burke <ianbonsai [at] COMCAST.NET>
To: BONSAI [at] HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Sent: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:00:18 -0400
Subject: Re: [IBC] Lime Sulfer


Actually lime sulphur is normally used diluted as a dormant spray on many
fruit trees and can be used on deciduous material in winter to slightly
whiten the bark. Make sure to check the label for dilution rate.

As for use on a ficus I really couldn't say what would be best, maybe you
could defoliate first, but that advice would have to come from someone who
knows about figs.

Cheers
Ian

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club [mailto:BONSAI [at] HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM] On Behalf Of
Jim Lewis
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 4:12 PM
To: BONSAI [at] HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: Re: [IBC] Lime Sulfer

Steve Peterson wrote:
>
> Is it possible to use lime sulfur to give a fairly young ficus the
> bleached look of older trees? If so, how would I apply it?
>

Bleached deadwood is mostly a feature of conifers -- pines,
junipers, spruce, bald cypress and the like.

It is seldom used on deciduous trees, and almost never on
evergreens -- especially tropical evergreens such as Ficus.

It is never applied to bark or live wood.

So the answers are "no" and "you wouldn't."

Jim Lewis - jklewis [at] nettally.com - This economy is a wholly
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I just checked the label on my bottle of lime sulfur and apricots are the
only tree they say not to use on. In fact, it is specifically recommended
for peaches to prevent peach leaf curl.

Regards,
Roger Snipes
Spokane, WA. Zone 5-ish

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From: "Jim Lewis" <jklewis [at] NETTALLY.COM>

> Michael Persiano wrote:
>
>> Also, do not spray Apricots with lime sulfur.
>
> You probably should extrapolate that to other members of the genus
> Prunus -- peaches, plums, almonds, nectarines, etc. While they may not be
> AS susceptible as apricots, they are a very closely related and easily
> crossed group. So at least be careful.

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